[Peace-discuss] World War III

Thu Oct 19 16:57:29 UTC 2017

I think it’s accurate - and candid - of Stuart to admit that he wants to deny my ability as a member of AWARE to "use the larger audience of Peace to reach more people.”

But that’s not how AWARE communications should work.

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 11:29 AM, stuartnlevy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Karen, yes, of course your postings went through to the Peace list!
> 
> Here is what I've been using as a policy.   Generally any member of Peace can post freely to the Peace list.  If someone sends a bunch of messages that clearly don't belong there, and especially if there is a complaint about that, then somebody (sometimes me) sends a reminder to the list about what's appropriate there.  Usually that is all that is needed.
> 
> But it can happen that people will keep posting off-topic stuff to Peace, either accidentally or deliberately - trying to use the larger audience of Peace to reach more people, say.  Ya'aqov, who used to be on these lists, did a lot of that.   I think Carl is doing that now.  For people who don't more or less play along with the established rules of the list, I set the list software to moderate their posts, so that I look at them individually and pass through ones that seem to fit - yes, in my own judgment.   As a list moderator, that's what I do.
> 
> Right now the only people on Peace whose messages are held for review are Carl and a handful of people whose e-mail accounts appeared to have been hacked, such that they'd sent spam to the list in the past.   For everyone else, postings go through immediately.
> 
> That's about all I have to say on this. 
> 
> 
>  -- Stuart
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Date: 10/19/17 08:13 (GMT-06:00)
> To: stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III
> 
> At the expense of continuing this discussion related to the two lists, I will ask again, did the “link” allowing recipients choice, to either view or delete, that of the Teach In” get through the Peace List, or was it censored off?
> 
> Ditto links to AOTA which includes the presentation by Mort. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 21:47, stuartnlevy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you, Mort.
>> 
>> Carl, with these two postings it just looks like you are working to game the system.  Really, are either of them calls to action?   
>> 
>> Earlier this week I passed along a Code Pink call to action which feels much more like one: to lobby our US Senators to publicly oppose a bill which would break the Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.
>> 
>> Earlier today I read two other calls to action from two other environmental groups.   Those messages are not urging people to believe or disbelieve something, nor trying to start a discussion or an argument.  Rather they are asking people to get out and do particular things which will advance their causes.
>> 
>> I think it is worth talking about the role of the antifa, even though I think focusing on it is a distraction from anything we're doing to oppose war, to argue over the tactics of a group we aren't even a part of.    I also think it's worth talking about Phyllis Bennis' comments on the value for the peace movement of recognizing linkages between our goals and other groups', and working together with them.
>> 
>> But those aren't discussions that belong on the Peace list.
>> 
>>  -- Stuart
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
>> Date: 10/18/17 20:40 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III
>> 
>> In my mind this is unfairly provocative. Stuart has been doing a conscientious and good job monitoring the Peace list, and explaining his criteria. 
>> 
>> Mort
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:59 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is author of the forthcoming "In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power” (Dispatch Books, September). His previous books include: "Torture and Impunity: The U.S. Doctrine of Coercive Interrogation" (University of Wisconsin, 2012), "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror" (American Empire Project); "Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State," and "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade." He has also convened the 'Empires in Transition/ project, a global working group of 140 historians from universities on four continents. The results of their first meetings were published as "Colonial Crucible: Empire in the Making of the Modern American State.”
>>> 
>>> His recent article "World War III With China: How It Might Actually Be Fought” envisions the outcome of the US war provocations against China undertaken in the Bush-Obama-Clinton (as Secretary of State) administrations, and continued in the Trump administration.   
>>> 
>>> To avoid cross posting, I’ve sent the article to the <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>> list, as a call to action.
>>> 
>>> AWARE and the anti-war movement in general should work strenuously against the outcome McCoy envisages, by informing the generally anti-war US public of where our government’s policy is leading. —CGE
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