[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon

[Karen Aram]

Exactly, she had a man to back her up, make her feel strong and empowered, but she also knew that a man demonstrating on behalf of peace would likely not fight back and she could do as she wished and get away with it. Very representational, the USG with our weapons.

It’s going to take a while to get over such an ugly incident. Things have gotten much uglier and more violent since 2003, just as the USG has gotten uglier and meaner, destroying so many lives since 2003.

 Your sign was absolutely correct, the US military has not protected us, in fact it has left us all more vulnerable, with every nation we destroy, with the millions of lives we’ve destroyed, we have created more hatred from others. With more funding going to support the military, not individual soldiers but weapons, contractors etc, less is available for social services, creating more poverty every day.

Take care, but don’t give up fighting for peace, many are with you.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 19:58, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

It will take me a few days to get over being shaken and angry by this violent incident. I was so horrified that I didn't have the wherewithal to either laugh at her or punch her in the face. That's probably for the best. The man whom she was with in a way facilitated the whole scene. It's hard to imagine that she would do what she did without him standing there and trying to make light of it. A very ugly scene, unlike anything I've seen since 2003.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:58 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:


David

My experience with a child, wasn’t to diminish what took place to you today, but rather to point out how disturbing it is when something like this happens. We are usually approached by people who are genuinely supportive and appreciate what we’re doing, so when someone is rude and abusive, it leaves us a bit shaken. I was shaken by a kid, and I still remember it, from long ago. We are usually demonstrating on behalf of others, their welfare, for peace, so violence is the last thing we want or expect. If anyone thinks they are deterring us from our cause, by their actions, they are so very wrong.


On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:44, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

No reason to believe they'll ever show up again, just a random thing I would guess. I did give a description of her to the officer. Nothing will come of it.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:23 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
David

So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there might be consequences.

I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the seventy’s while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the Safeway in DC. She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do so. It was a cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I could do. She had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to prove how tough she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to get into a fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be bullied by one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going to do about it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the parking lot at 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and she said the same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of there by 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101

PS 20:30?



> On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
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> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
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> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
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> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
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> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
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> David Green
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