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[David Green]

I would only add, referring to an issue that indeed relates to issues of
war and peace, that Chelsea Manning is of course an example of a
transgender woman that I support, and her case raises difficult issues
regarding women's spaces in prisons, and rightful medical treatment in
relation to sex transition. Nevertheless, this and other issues should be
discussed in a non-repressive context.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:05 AM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
wrote:

>
> I agree with David and Carl. There's something cultish about the
> insistence that all progressive people have to toe the Party Line of a
> particular group of "trans-gender advocates" on these questions.
>
> I think that people who support free speech should try to put a stop to
> the depredations of this cult in Champaign-Urbana.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 8:41 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> Eminent sense.
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Frankly, it mystifies me as to how trans-gender advocates claim that
>> sex and/or gender are not binary (on the one hand), and then proceed to
>> continue to invoke the binaries of man/woman, male/female,
>> masculine/feminine in legal, social, political, and medical claims that
>> simply accept and re-assert/re-define those binaries. Why bother to go to
>> the trouble of becoming a "woman" or "man" when, as a binary, these
>> categories are claimed not to exist except as identities to be freely
>> applied to oneself, to be changed, to be rejected, or to be reverted to if
>> the choice doesn't happen to be satisfactory in one way or another. It
>> seems to me that interrogating masculine/feminine gender characteristics
>> within the context of patriarchy and sexism could be done much more
>> effectively by acknowledging their biological foundations but rejecting
>> biological determinism in favor of cultural evolution. It seems that trans
>> advocates undermine this project when they argue that the solution for
>> those who feel like the other sex to simply to become the other sex in what
>> turns out to be rather gender stereotypical behavioral ways ("effeminate",
>> "tough"), not to mention biological (hormonal, surgical) ways.
>>
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