[Peace] Re: [Peace-discuss] War and civility

[Morton K. Brussel]

Bob,

1) I would have thought that folks who joined AWARE did so because  
they belonged to your second group, who "see war (i.e., in Iraq and  
Afghanistan in particular, and those foretold as "preventive) as such  
an emergency that it transcends personal considerations and must be  
fought with all available tools."

2) I assume that Carl said the argued position of Al was, in the  
particular instance, "racist", not that Al was racist. Overly strong  
language perhaps, but the point intended seems worth emphasizing:  
Karen just pointed out that the Afro-American population of Chicago  
largely rejects Obama as representing them. True?

3) It is too bad that some left AWARE in the aftermath of this  
incident, as feelings were indeed bruised, but one should put their  
priorities in order. For me, our wars are truly abominable, and I can  
overlook other differences I may have with members of our group.

My worthless 2¢.  --Mort

On Feb 9, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Bob Illyes wrote:

> You and I are definitely on opposite sides on this matter,
> Carl, but I guess that is already pretty evident. A friend
> recently pointed out that AWARE seemed to be divided not just
> with regard to war vs. other matters, but on the subject of
> war itself. This is the case, in my opinion. Some of us see
> war as first a personal matter, and try to live peace as
> their first priority. Others see war as such an emergency that
> it transcends personal considerations and must be fought with
> all available tools. Even this description is probably too
> simple to encompass us all. At least we are all able to agree
> that war is bad.....
>
> From my point of view, calling Al's position "racist" is bring
> war into an antiwar group. From your point of view, it is a
> matter of simple honesty. I claim that we can't stop war if
> we aren't willing to make peace, starting with each other. You
> claim (pardon me if my paraphrase is too crude) that it takes
> something like war to stop war. Kathy Kelly claims that peace
> making is as dangerous as war making. I have my doubts about
> this, although I grant their are cases where she is correct.
>
> Bob
>
>
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