[Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana this Saturday for Dr. Tiller?

Alfred Kagan akagan at uiuc.edu
Wed Jun 3 15:53:52 CDT 2009 

Please take this discussion back to Peace-Discuss where it belongs.

Al Kagan


On Jun 3, 2009, at 3:42 pm, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:

> Pro-Abortion is no doubt the more accurate of the three terms  
> because it really does describe the matter conceptually.
>
> Baby-killing could be accurate too but it really doesnt reflect the  
> mindset of the unaware participants who
> really just don't quite realize what they are doing.  A few do  
> understand and proceed anyway, unfortunately.
>
> Pro-choice considers the mother only and is not cognizant of the  
> rights of the other individual, the child, who although unborn,
> is fully alive, and has a right to its life (its future).  "To take  
> away one's future is Murder" - Ken Schoolland, "The Philosophy of  
> Liberty".
>
> The use of "Reproductive justice" as a rhetorical cloaking device is  
> totally absurd, because the innocent child, the object of  
> reproduction,
> is the one being wronged and is crying out for justice to be done.
>
> Although I do not condone the execution of abortionists, whether by  
> vigilantes, zealots, or the state, the
> term Reproductive Justice actually seems to imply that anyone who  
> tampers with the developing child is
> liable to judgment for wrongful deeds.
>
> On 6/3/2009 3:17 PM, Durango Mendoza wrote:
>> Sarah,
>>
>> Your reply is so well spoken. It is absolutely clear about the  
>> nature of war and reproductive justice. It was honest, respectful  
>> and made my day. It was the perfect antidote to my own %#@.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> DM
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:47:05 -0700
>> > From: sarahrasmusson at yahoo.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana this  
>> Saturday for Dr. Tiller?
>> > To: briandolinar at gmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com; prorobert8 at hotmail.com
>> > CC: amasong_singers at lists.amasong.org; lena.hann at gmail.com; lefortune at gmail.com 
>> ; hault2 at uiuc.edu; peace at lists.chambana.net; lreagan at uiuc.edu; srasmus3 at uiuc.edu 
>> ; pmorey at illinois.edu; wantland at illinois.edu; lenah at ppil.org; ptreich at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert,
>> >
>> > I don't want to take time away from our efforts to plan a vigil  
>> here, but
>> > Please let me clarify a few things for you. It is my experience  
>> that men tend to see abortion (aka something that happens to women)  
>> as *unrelated* to war and global conflict. "Let's deal with your  
>> issues later, baby, after us men take up the serious issues..."
>> >
>> > First of all, nobody says "pro-abortion". The position I think  
>> you refer to is "pro-choice" (US/North American older language) but  
>> better yet, "reproductive justice."
>> >
>> > Second, abortion is not a "liberal PC" issue as you say here. It  
>> is a matter of human rights and social justice, not some  
>> fashionable trend. If abortion were 'politically correct' as you  
>> say here, then Dr. Tiller would not be dead and we would not be  
>> trying to honor him or publicly acknowledge this tremendous loss.
>> >
>> > Furthermore, my carrer as a beat reporter in New York City,  
>> covering abortion at the city, state, national and international  
>> levels made me realize that WHENEVER there is war, there is usually  
>> sexual violence against women (aka rape) and, therefore, abortion  
>> is necessarily an issue.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, abortion and war go hand in hand. And, anti- 
>> abortion violence is a war.
>> >
>> > I myself have received death threats when I was on assignment  
>> covering UN hearings on girls' need for abortion after being raped  
>> during the Bosnia-Herzegovinia conflict.
>> >
>> > Please make no mistake, AWARE and the anti-war movement can only  
>> benefit by joining the movement for reproductive justice -- the  
>> killing of abortion providers is nothing less than domestic  
>> terrorism.
>> >
>> > In solidarity, Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> > Sarah L. Rasmusson
>> > Fellow
>> > Illinois Program for Research in the Humanities (IPRH)
>> > University of Illinois
>> > srasmus3 at illinois.edu
>> > 217-721-7733 (mobile)
>> > 217-265-0308 (office)
>> >
>> > “New Working Girl's Hotel Encourages Matrimony:
>> > Trowmart Inn, which opens next week, will put a premium on  
>> engagements -- offers moderate rates for board and has no arbitrary  
>> rules and regulations.”
>> > -- headline, New York Times, April 6, 1906
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Robert Dunn <prorobert8 at hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: RE: [Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana this  
>> Saturday for Dr. Tiller?
>> >> To: briandolinar at gmail.com, rachelstrm at gmail.com
>> >> Cc: amasong_singers at lists.amasong.org, lena.hann at gmail.com, sarahrasmusson at yahoo.com 
>> , lefortune at gmail.com, hault2 at uiuc.edu, peace at lists.chambana.net, lreagan at uiuc.edu 
>> , srasmus3 at uiuc.edu, pmorey at illinois.edu, wantland at illinois.edu, lenah at ppil.org 
>> , ptreich at gmail.com
>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:19 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, as someone that was around for the advent of AWARE, I
>> >> do not recall that AWARE has ever taken any position on
>> >> abortion! This is just one more example of how the
>> >> anti-war movement has been watered down in America by
>> >> the American Liberal Left. My 2 cents is that whether
>> >> AWARE is mostly pro-abortion or mostly pro-life,
>> >> it needs to stay out of these liberal PC issues that do
>> >> nothing to stop the continued war in Af/Pak! I ask
>> >> that folks tune into News from Neptune TV on
>> >> UPTV Friday, June 6th as we will be discussing the
>> >> issue of the neutralizing of the Left by Liberals and the
>> >> subsequent alienation of certain members of the working
>> >> class by the above mentioned elitists.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:49:24 -0500
>> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana this
>> >> Saturday for Dr. Tiller?
>> >> From: briandolinar at gmail.com
>> >> To: rachelstrm at gmail.com
>> >> CC: amasong_singers at lists.amasong.org; lena.hann at gmail.com;
>> >> sarahrasmusson at yahoo.com; lefortune at gmail.com;
>> >> hault2 at uiuc.edu; peace at lists.chambana.net; lreagan at uiuc.edu;
>> >> srasmus3 at uiuc.edu; pmorey at illinois.edu;
>> >> wantland at illinois.edu; lenah at ppil.org; ptreich at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> I grew up in Wichita and been reeling from what's
>> >> happened.
>> >> I would be happy to help get the word out, call press out,
>> >> and cover the event for the Independent Media Center.
>> >> Anyone else interested?
>> >>
>> >> Peace, BD
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM,
>> >> Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am writing this e-mail in
>> >> response to an e-mail sent from local artist and
>> >> reproductive justice advocate Heather Ault, whose e-mail you
>> >> should be able to access below for reference.
>> >>
>> >> Dear Heather and Everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I, too, was shocked and devastated by the death of Dr.
>> >> George Tiller and am so happy to know that you're
>> >> interested in organizing something in his honor. I've
>> >> copied your e-mail along with this one to Lena Hann,
>> >> Education Programs Coordinator at Planned Parenthood and
>> >> would love to help organize a prayer vigil. I haven't
>> >> heard of something already underway, but perhaps Lena could
>> >> let us know of whether Planned Parenthood would be a great
>> >> site for the vigil--and I think it would!
>> >>
>> >> I'll be forwarding this message around and looking
>> >> forward to organizing something for this Saturday. (I should
>> >> also mention that a friend of mine and my partner
>> >> Michael's was just pronounced terminally ill and has
>> >> only a few short days to live. Because of this, I may be out
>> >> of town, but I will certainly do all I can to make the vigil
>> >> happen-- even if I cannot be present.)
>> >>
>> >> Let's open up a dialogue here about where, when, and
>> >> how we can honor Dr. George Tiller.
>> >>
>> >> In peace,
>> >> Rachel Storm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:20 PM,
>> >> Heather Ault <hault2 at uiuc.edu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello friends,
>> >>
>> >> I'm curious if you might be interested in organizing a
>> >> prayer vigil this
>> >> Saturday at 10am, the time of Dr. Tiller's funeral? Or,
>> >> perhaps there
>> >> are efforts already underway? I'm thinking that outside
>> >> of Planned
>> >> Parenthood might be a great place to hold the event. Rachel
>> >> has been
>> >> working there as an intern, and might have some ideas.
>> >>
>> >> This is a really important time to rally together the
>> >> reproductive
>> >> rights supporters in our community and support our local
>> >> Planned
>> >> Parenthood! Rachel works there as an intern, and I'm
>> >> sure will have some
>> >> ideas. Looking forward to doing what we can do.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a list of other events that happened on Monday
>> >> night....
>> >> http://www.feministing.com/archives/015748.html
>> >>
>> >> And, an article with the time of his funeral...
>> >> http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/46727532.html
>> >>
>> >> Looking forward to hearing what you all think. Or, of
>> >> others people I
>> >> can connect with. If you are busy or out of town, please
>> >> send along your
>> >> great ideas!
>> >>
>> >> In solidarity,
>> >> Heather
>> >>
>> >> ...
>> >> Heather Ault
>> >> MFA Candidate, School of Art and Design
>> >> University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
>> >> www.heatherault.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rachel Storm, Transnational Gender Politics
>> >> WIMSE Program Assistant
>> >> Forte International Exchange Local Representative
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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