[Peace-discuss] Fw: [Discuss] Fw: What hath got rot?

[Tristan B]

Dave, no one said that you don't care about your fellow human beings.

Also, I don't like your assumptions about who does and who doesn't have
health insurance.  I don't at this moment, because I have been unable to
continue paying the exorbinant premiums for the Cobra insurance from my job
back in California (I'm at least $600 in the whole on my insurance, and even
more in medical bills).  Since I now have a new job I will have insurance
starting on the 1st but it is not a full plan and does not cover
prescriptions, so I will be paying around $300 a month for my medication
until i get the full deal.

Do agree with the charging of a fine for those who cannot afford
healthcare?  Absolutely not.  this is one of many things that I don't like
about the bill.

Do I agree that single payer is the only solution (short of over-throwing
capitalism)?  Yes.

Do I think that means we should not have taken the reforms that are now in
place, like preventing insurance companies from dropping people who get sick
or refusing to cover those already sick (and yes, I know that there are
exceptions)?  No.  it would be ignorant, arrogant and even insensitive not
to.

You make some very large assumptions about your audience, and I am in fact
not just a little offended.  I may have a better job now, but I have worked
crap jobs.  I survived in LA on minimum wage, I survived in Illinois on 2
part time jobs.  It sucks, and I know it does.  You shouldn't assume that
just cause we're not their now, that we don't know what it is like.

And Dave P's response was mostly an ad homonym attack and not worth
responding to.

T


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:59 PM, unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net> wrote:

>  To Jenifer and the rest of you that think the Obama so called " health
> care reform bill " is so great and that any of us who criticize it don't
> care about their fellow human beings.
> First of all, I want to ask Jenifer if she has health insurance and if so
> what type ?
>
> Secondly, this posting by Dave P. sums up my feelings perfectly.
> WE, the working poor, Myself included, are the ones who will NOT benefit
> from this Bill.
>
> Easy for many of the rest of you to say it is so great when you already
> have health insurance and won't have to face the prospect of a fine and
> still have no health care.
>
> As Dave P. states below, Single Payer IS the ONLY REAL public option.
> Again, most of you who support the Obama plan, already have health
> insurance and / or you are relying on info provided to you via the corporate
> media and the democratic party.
> Who along with the repubs prevented for day one ANY discussion about single
> payer.
>
> David J.
>
>
>
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>
> As an anarchist and a "precarious-shit-worker" who does do the 'grub-work,'
> I take offense to this "individualistic libertarian anarchists" claim. We,
> anarcho-PSWs, do not have cushy university jobs with health-care, sick days,
> vacations, living wages... or the time, privelege, and luxury for academic
> debates. It is true, those of us who make around $1000/month will NEVER,
> EVER be able to afford the $200-300/month minimum premiums to fucking
> corporations after paying some $400 in rent alone! [Add $200-300/loans in
> student loans, $150 in other bills, etc... and there's nothing left for
> food. Keeps me in my boyish figure I guess *;-)* ] Simply, everyday life
> is always a losing battle... we're working-poor and we're FUCKED, this is
> real. And, the $700 penalty on top of taxes will only make things worse!
> Now, for those who make some $40,000/yr this all may be doable, and an
> improvement, but for many of us who don't it's completely impossible unless
> the feds pay %100 of our premiums.... i.e., SINGLE-PAYER. So, single-payer
> is the ONLY improvement for us, and the ONLY solution that was never on the
> table! [thanks to Both Dems and Reps]
>
>
>
>
>
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