[Peace-discuss] fourth amendment, and more, violated.

[Brussel Morton K.]

Estabrook and Johnson are clearly not travelling by airplane this weekend. 

Castigating the ACLU (which, perhaps not incidentally, supports a woman's right to choose whether to continue a pregnancy) for telling people what they can legally do and expect is abject, but to be expected from this quarter.  I suppose they would spit in the eyes of the TSA types if they were trying to board a plane. Easy to be brave from the far sidelines.

--mkb



On Nov 23, 2010, at 10:02 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> Count on good liberals to knuckle under and advise acquiescence when the government says it's serious.
> 
> People who urge serious opposition are excoriated with stupid phrases like "Planet Wingnut."
> 
> With advice like this, it's hardly surprising that Americans can't muster the sort of opposition that we see in France, Germany, or even the UK. 
> 
> On 11/23/10 7:03 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
> > Advising people what their
>       legal rights are does not equal telling 
> 
>       > them to submit, except on Planet Wingnut.
> 
>       > 
> 
>       > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:49 PM, E. Wayne Johnson
>       <ewj at pigs.ag>
> 
>       > wrote:
> 
>       >> The Orwellian lock-step Democrats seem to be offering a
>       united
> 
>       >> front of pathetic submission to the Invasion of the Body
>       Snatchers
> 
>       >> at TSA.
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> Even the generally sassy FireDogLake is advising people
>       to submit.
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> Jane Hamster is offering not the 4th amendment: The right
>       of the
> 
>       >> people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
>       effects,
> 
>       >> against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>       violated, 
> 
>       >> and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
>       supported by
> 
>       >> Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
>       place to be
> 
>       >> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> FDL is advising people to "Know your Rights" (in other
>       words, No
> 
>       >> Rights)
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >>
>       http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/11/KnowYourRights-full.jpg
> 
>       >>
> 
>       >>
> 
>       >> Bless their cowardly little hearts.  May their chains rest lightly upon
> >> them.
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> My take on this matter is that any response to TSA that
>       is milder
> 
>       >> than at minimum a very polite "Fuck You! You're not going
>       to do
> 
>       >> it!" is an egregious and embarrassing surrender.
> 
>       >> 
> 
>       >> Wayne Johnson
> 
>     
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