[Peace-discuss] Johnson opposes military action in Libya
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Fri Mar 25 17:14:25 CDT 2011
It's remarkably tenuous to suggest (as the Obama administration does) that the
AUMF of 18 September 2001 authorizes the current war in AfPak (illegal in any
case under international law).
It's rather like the Germans' declaring (as they did) on September 1, 1939,
"We're finally shooting back!"
On 3/25/11 3:58 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
> Yeah, this is one of the talking points of the no big deal crowd: there's been
> no declaration of war since WW II.
>
> But that is fundamentally misleading, because 1) the WPR talks about
> declaration of war *or* authorization of force; both Iraq wars were
> authorized, the war in Afghanistan was authorized and 2) it was in significant
> measure because of the Korea and Vietnam experience that Congress passed the
> War Powers Resolution.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> No argument from /me/ here, just quoting the pundits' latest.
> And as for an actual Declaration of War, somebody pointed out that that
> hasn't happened since WW II...
> --Jenifer
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman /<naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>>/* wrote:
>
> A lot of folks seem to be under the mistaken impression - fostered in
> part by the Administration - that the War Powers Resolution - which
> despite the name "resolution," is a law - only contains reporting
> requirements.
>
> This is, of course, false...
>
> § 1541. Purpose and policy
> [...]
> (c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
> The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to
> introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into
> situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly
> indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
>
> (1) a declaration of war,
>
> (2) specific statutory authorization, or
>
> (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its
> territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
> [...]
>
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001541----000-.html
>
> There was no declaration of war. There was no specific statutory
> authorization. There was no attack on the United States or its armed
> forces. Therefore, the President violated the War Powers Resolution.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Jenifer Cartwright
> <jencart13 at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> The current language used [to justify not consulting Congress]
> focuses on short duration and skips the eminent threat to the
> homeland stuff. Let's see if that's gonna play...
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Tue, 3/22/11, Robert Naiman /<naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> <http://mc/compose?to=naiman@justforeignpolicy.org>>/* wrote:
>
> Kucinich has pledged to introduce an amendment to any funding
> vehicle
> that would defund military operations in Libya - i.e., pretty
> similar
> to what Tim Johnson is proposing. He is circulating a letter
> to that
> effect; the last time I looked, Paul, Jones, and Stark had
> signed it.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Karen Medina
> <kmedina67 at gmail.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=kmedina67@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Good going, Tim Johnson.
> > I am curious to see what Kucinich does.
> > -karen medina
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Rohn Koester
> <rohnkoester at hotmail.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=rohnkoester@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Johnson opposes military action in Libya
> >>
> >> Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:30am | Tom Kacich
> >>
> >> U.S. Rep. Tim Johnson, R-Urbana, who already opposes U.S.
> involvement in
> >> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, today said he would introduce
> legislation to
> >> de-fund military action in Libya.
> >>
> >> The six-term Republican said he would work with Rep. Justin
> Amash, R-Mich.,
> >> a freshman congressman, to draft legislation declaring the
> action
> >> unconstitutional.
> >>
> >> “Constitutionally, it is indisputable that Congress must be
> consulted prior
> >> to an act of war unless there is an imminent threat against
> this country.
> >> The president has not done so,” Johnson said. “In fact,
> this is the same man
> >> who questioned President Bush’s constitutional authority to
> commit troops to
> >> war.”
> >>
> >>
> http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2011-03-22/johnson-opposes-military-action-libya.html
> >>
> >>
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