[Peace-discuss] Johnson opposes military action in Libya

[Jenifer Cartwright]

I wasn't saying that [no declaration of war since WW II] as a justification for Libya, not at all... I just meant that the US of A seems to have been fighting uh, engaged in uh, using force (yes, w/ Congressional approval) for more years than not ever since WW II. Military mentality, military mindset. Hard to turn that around. --Jenifer  

--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:

From: Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Johnson opposes military action in Libya
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 3:58 PM

Yeah, this is one of the talking points of the no big deal crowd: there's been no declaration of war since WW II.
But that is fundamentally misleading, because 1) the WPR talks about declaration of war *or* authorization of force; both Iraq wars were authorized, the war in Afghanistan was authorized and 2) it was in significant measure because of the Korea and Vietnam experience that Congress passed the War Powers Resolution.


On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

No argument from me here, just quoting the pundits' latest.And as for an actual Declaration of War, somebody pointed out that that hasn't happened since WW II... 
 --Jenifer

--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:

A lot of folks seem to be under the mistaken impression - fostered in part by the Administration - that the War Powers Resolution - which despite the name "resolution," is a law - only contains reporting requirements.


This is, of course, false...
§ 1541. Purpose and policy
[...]

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to
introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into


situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly
indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to

(1) a declaration of war,

(2) specific statutory authorization, or



(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its
territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
[...]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001541----000-.html



There was no declaration of war. There was no specific statutory
authorization. There was no attack on the United States or its armed
forces. Therefore, the President violated the War Powers Resolution.



On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:


The current language used [to justify not consulting Congress] focuses on short duration and skips the eminent threat to the homeland stuff. Let's see if that's gonna play...

 --Jenifer 

--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:

Kucinich has pledged to introduce an amendment to any funding vehicle

that would defund military operations in Libya - i.e., pretty similar
to what Tim Johnson is proposing.
 He is circulating a letter to that
effect; the last time I looked, Paul, Jones, and Stark had signed it.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:


> Good going, Tim Johnson.
> I am curious to see what Kucinich does.
> -karen medina
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Rohn Koester <rohnkoester at hotmail.com> wrote:


>> Johnson opposes military action in Libya
>>
>> Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:30am | Tom Kacich
>>
>> U.S. Rep. Tim Johnson, R-Urbana, who already opposes U.S. involvement in
>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, today said he would introduce legislation to


>> de-fund military action in Libya.
>>
>> The six-term
 Republican said he would work with Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich.,
>> a freshman congressman, to draft legislation declaring the action
>> unconstitutional.
>>
>> “Constitutionally, it is indisputable that Congress must be consulted prior


>> to an act of war unless there is an imminent threat against this country.
>> The president has not done so,” Johnson said. “In fact, this is the same man
>> who questioned President Bush’s constitutional authority to commit troops to


>> war.”
>>
>> http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2011-03-22/johnson-opposes-military-action-libya.html


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