[Peace-discuss] hasta la vista, baby.

["E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"]

Of course, I respectfully disagree.  Several counties
in southern Illinois wanted to secede and indeed one did (Williamson).

There were no slaves at all in Williamson county.

What they were rejecting was federal government tyranny.

Indeed it was a power struggle, whether I will decide myself how I 
should live
my life, or whether I should let some Yankee a thousand miles away 
dictate to me
how I should live my life.

Bringing race in to the equation is a dirty trick, equivalent to 
throwing sand
in the bull's eyes when caught in a dilemma.

The matter of state's rights and secession is far from settled.

The ultimate break-up and dissolution of the Union is a lofty goal
but it is a very worthwhile one that would solve so many of the world's
problems. Maybe complete destruction of the federal government is a bit
radical.  Just cutting off some of its tentacles would be
sufficient.

It seems that the purpose of the war was for the Northern elites
(what you call the 0.01%) to gain control over everybody else.

Hardly any dog would consume the poison of authoritarian government if
it were not mixed with the meat of the promise of "social good".

Anarchism seems to be the ultimate anti-war position, and although
secession aint exactly anarchism per se, secession is certainly a
step in the right direction.


On 12/23/12 22:25, David Green wrote
> Whatever the advisability of fighting a war to free the slaves, or 
> whether it was indeed fought for that purpose, the southern elites 
> certainly seceded in order to keep their control over slaves (and poor 
> whites) intact.
> DG
>
>     *From:* ""E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>     *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:32 AM
>     *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] hasta la vista, baby.
>
>
>           It seems far from settled.
>
>
>           Parting Company
>
>     Over 150 years ago, the Northern Democratic and Republican parties
>     favored allowing the South to secede in peace. Just about every
>     major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South's
>     right to secede. New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): "If tyranny and
>     despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why
>     it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons
>     from the Federal Union in 1861." Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19,
>     1861/): "An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if
>     successful, could produce nothing but evil – evil unmitigated in
>     character and appalling in content."/ The New York Times (March
>     21, 1861): "There is growing sentiment throughout the North in
>     favor of letting the Gulf States go."
>     There's more evidence seen at the time our Constitution was
>     ratified. The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and
>     Rhode Island explicitly said that they held the right to resume
>     powers delegated, should the federal government become abusive of
>     those powers. The Constitution would have never been ratified if
>     states thought that they could not maintain their sovereignty.
>     The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute force
>     that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham
>     Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated
>     the speech, "It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln
>     said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of
>     self-determination – that government of the people, by the people,
>     for the people should not perish from the earth." Mencken says:
>     "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union
>     soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination;
>     it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to
>     govern themselves."
>
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