[Peace-discuss] Fw: Letter to editor

Thu Aug 7 10:00:26 EDT 2014

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:54 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

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>Roger, you assume that the powerful are the victims of the weak, and then demand that others prove otherwise. 
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>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:56 AM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>What exactly does who destroyed the green houses have to do with this?
>>The Palestinians clearly have had plenty of time to rebuild them -
>>they certainly were able to build or import rockets and enough
>>building materials to build strong long tunnels.  What about the way
>>that Hamas has treated anyone who disagrees with them?
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>>Far as who destroyed the green houses, you could easily see the date
>>from satellite photos taken by a commercial satellite.  I would be
>>rather certain that they exist.
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>>On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:27 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Also probably worth noting, in relation to "good faith," is the lie that
>>> I've heard repeated in recent days that
 Palestinians destroyed the Israeli
>>> green houses after the settlers were evacuated; the settlers destroyed half
>>> of them before leaving.
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>>> DG
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>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:21 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
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>>> Israeli strategists have been quite straightforward about "mowing the lawn,"
>>> "putting Gaza on a diet," etc. The strategy of economic "de-development" (as
>>> discussed by Sara Roy) goes all the way back to 1967. In any event, you
>>> reverse the relationship between the perpetrator and the victim, no harder
>>> to see in
 this case than when the Nazis invaded Poland.
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>>> DG
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>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:52 PM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
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>>> Your statement about "planned response" is probably totally bogus - I
>>> strongly expect that if you did actual research instead of only
>>> finding what agrees with preconceived conclusions, that you would find
>>> that Israel left Gaza in good faith - the Palestinians, though
>>> immediately introduced offensive weapons in bad faith -
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>>> Rockets are TERROR WEAPONs because a rocket is an unguided
 missile -
>>> they can not be accurately targeted and the only reason that there
>>> have not been large numbers of Israeli civilian casualties is because
>>> Iron Dome works -
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>>> Roger
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>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:28 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss
>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>> Here's a letter that I sent to the NG today, that accurately summarizes my
>>>> views.
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>>>> DG
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>>>> Israel's recent/current onslaught against Gaza is consistent with
>>>> long-term
>>>> ambitions for controlling "Greater
 Israel." Gaza has since 2005 been a
>>>> prison, with its economy and borders tightly controlled by Israel's siege.
>>>> This is a planned consequence of Israel's withdrawal of settlers in
>>>> 2005--not
>>>> a response to Palestinian resistance. Recurrent massacres by the IDF
>>>> constitute maintenance for this state of affairs.
>>>> Israel's hegemonic ambitions are promoted by all major political parties
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>>>> Israel and the U.S., and by mainstream Jewish organizations. Our
>>>> government
>>>> provides weapons and diplomatic cover, including a "peace process" that is
>>>> really a settlement process. Palestinian communities on the West Bank live
>>>> under the constant threat of Israeli terror, from
 settlers and the IDF,
>>>> before and after the murder of three Israeli youths (but not by Hamas) in
>>>> June.
>>>> In our community, religious and secular Jewish leaders and institutions
>>>> follow the dictates of national Jewish organizations in their support for
>>>> right-wing Zionist extremism. Instead of consulting with the local Jewish
>>>> community at large, they ally themselves with plutocratic U.S.
>>>> geopolitical
>>>> and military interests and their strategies to control Middle East energy
>>>> resources; and with Christian Zionists--right wing fundamentalists who
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>>>> the region in apocalyptic terms that are anti-Semitic and Islamophobic
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>>>> un-Christian) at
 their core.
>>>> It is in this context that those who have been hired as leaders of the
>>>> Jewish community lend institutional spaces to a small but vocal minority
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>>>> Jews and their racist agenda, while marginalizing the majority of Jews who
>>>> oppose these ongoing crimes.
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